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Tara Yang
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:28:00 -
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 Originally by: The Dev Blog
That's not fair towards CCP as a service provider and it's not fair towards other players that pay a subscription but don't make use of this bug.
Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.
Just wanted to add my 0.02 isk to this very long thread. (I pity the fool who has to read it all at CCP, If they even read it.)
Granted I can understand that It's not fair to CCP that people still get higher SP while they are not paying for it. But to use those skills they have to in someway still pay to use the account someday.
But I really invalidated that it effects the player base in anyway, because even though They get higher skill points without paying, A paying customer gets the same ammount op SP AND isk by extually using the account AND a better understanding of the game mechanics by exctually playing the game. Granted I think most people using ghost training have multiple accounts and therefor gets better in eve anyway. If I recall correctlly this was the same argument used some time ago when new characters would be getting around 800k-900k SP at start up instead of the very low ammounts it was set up before that time. TO me this is a bit of hypocracy or turning words around or whatever you want to call it.
Moreover I really can't see how by someone not being active and not logging in on the server gets the database overloaded. As you can not excess the database and get an update on your skills by for instance evemon. If your database gets overloaded by not loggin in you really need to take an other look at how your database is structered.
Just to be sure I have used ghost training once sort off with an alt account but the only reason I did that was because the gtc prices went through the roof. But right now I'm happily paying for both accounts I have.
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Tara Yang
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:39:00 -
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All in all it is an epic fail that ghost training was stated as a feature and used as a positive thing. And then later on saying it's a bug. (I know has been said a million times already in this thread). But even more so is the fact that they ninja edited after people pointed it out to CCP. But the biggest one is the fact that you can not even log in and change something on your account details and saying
Originally by: My account message
The EVE-online website is undergoing maintenance.
We are sorry for any inconvenience caused.
Which we all know is utter CR@P. There is now mainenance done on that. They just don't want people making irradicat desscions.
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Tara Yang
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Posted - 2008.10.14 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: St Claus
http://go-dl3.eve-files.com/media/0810/isabug4.jpg
That "bug" was removed from Serenity years/moths ago, why not from Tranquility if it is a bug and not a feature?
OMG that is just priceless. Even more epic fail
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Tara Yang
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:24:00 -
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To do list
-Remove bad info from player guide
-Close Account details so people can't cancel subscription and blame billing company
-Delete post in thread that do not comply with our view
-Hide thread from players
Remove comments link from dev blog
Delete dev blog about subject
Delete any thread about subject
And cool like nothing happend and still remove ghost training
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Tara Yang
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:36:00 -
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Edited by: Tara Yang on 16/10/2008 19:40:00
I just realised why CCP is not commenting on this thread. They can't find it cause it's still hidden off course
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Originally by: Space Winnebago
I rarely ever post as I fail to see the point most of the time.
I think it's to bad that "ghost training" was removed simply because it removes real value from the game in the respect that everybody takes a break and I know for me a few times I have as well and knowing for example heavy assault cruisers V or recon ships V was training while I was away in real life for job training or just taking a break when that skill finished it surely brought me right back to eve with renewed enthusiasm.
Unlike most mmorpg's eve really does not give one "real" alts on your account, you have 3 slots but 2 are essentially useless for anything other than a noob ship scout or a fast hauler training, or maybe a basic trader. In other games you can make all your alt slots use-full by grinding which is one of the benefits of eve, the lack thereof. If you want an alt you need a second account, bottom line.
This would be quelled in a heartbeat if we had the ability to train our alt slots, or perhaps pay a half price fee to train our alt slots at the same time you train your main, adding real value back to the game.
I don't profess to know the future but my gut feeling is this will not effect players so much with 2 accounts as you really need 2 in this game but if you are beyond that I really do see people making cuts or consolidating accounts.
I see a lot of old characters in this game and its a shame to see anyone leave we are all part of the games atmosphere as well as it's value unfortunately I fear we just lost a portion.
Highlighted the part I really liked
Very good point I hope they do that would be awsome together with skill queue |
Tara Yang
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Posted - 2008.10.16 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
The bug that became a feature
On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.
How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.
Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Torfi
maybe a good Idea to put this in the dev blog somewhere and on the first page of this thread.
Marked out a small piece of text I really laughed about. Like deleting player posts, the thread that mysteriusly dissapeared from the first page, the account details page conviently failing and more importantly a bug that's in a game for 5 freaking years while a fix was already available for it is not adding insult to injury. |
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